The debate of vintage sewing machine vs new can get heated! Often found in Facebook sewing groups, someone innocently asks “I’m looking for a beginner machine, any suggestions?”, not 5 seconds later, people swoop in to clamor about how vintage machines are the best. Their parts are made from metal! They are more reliable! They are better quality! I always chime in with my experience, and decided to write it out into a full blog post instead. I’d love to hear your experiences with vintage sewing machines vs new, in the comments, too!
This is the vintage Kenmore sewing machine that I inherited from my Grandma when she died. She sewed, my Mom sewed, and once I got pregnant with my first child, I finally learned to sew. I’m not a particularly sentimental person, but I loved the idea of making things for my son, on a machine that made things for my Mom. I read the manual, I cleaned it carefully, and I dove in.
Except it was more like a bellyflop! I stopped and started so many times, because I’d get frustrated with the process or the results. Looking back, a few of the projects I failed on were user error like choosing the wrong fabric (bulky home dec for a roll-up shopping bag) or too difficult for a beginner (alphabet shaped pillows) BUT even more of the projects that frustrated me, were beyond my control.
The tension knob was temperamental, leading to constant fiddling and fixing. I took it in, sunk in $100 for a cleaning and a tension knob replacement, was thrilled for a week until… the knob was wonky again. I spent hours of time, trying to rethread, replace, tweak so it would behave. My baby wouldn’t sleep, my sewing machine wouldn’t cooperate, the hobby that I thought would be “me time” was just as frustrating as the rest of my day! Finally, I’d had enough.
I visited the local Janome & Brother dealers to see what they had, was absolutely repelled by the Janome salesperson, and cringed my way through a $400 machine purchase at Brother. The salesperson showed me all the bells and whistles, with a stop/start button, automatic threading, but I couldn’t stop smiling because it just.. sewed. No tweaking. No jiggling. It sewed! Straight and true.
I wasted months of stopping & starting, frustrated at the machine’s limitations, and not knowledgeable enough to understand when it was me or the machine. If I hadn’t grown up around sewing, I surely would have given up! While vintage machines might be heavier, sturdier, more well made, they can also be finicky and expensive to fix at a shop (emphasis on the can! I know they can also be wonderful and well made and totally worth it). It pained me to stop using my handmedown Kenmore, but I think my Grandma would be happier that I’ve truly learned how to love sewing, by letting go of her machine.
So what do I think a beginner should do in the vintage sewing machine vs new debate?
I think the best case scenario is shopping with a local dealer or buying from a trusted reseller who can show you the ropes in person. Not only does this cut down on packaging, it keeps your money in your local economy! You’ll have someone who you can go back to with questions, who can tell you to just change the needle instead of taking it in for a full cleaning.
BUT I also understand, that like me, sometimes you are learning and working in tiny bits of time, in between naps. I understand that it can be inconceivable to take 3 hours out of a day to visit a shop when you’re nursing a tiny person and working around naps! So, I also have my recommendation for the best new machine to order off Amazon below and some pros & cons to consider when considering vintage vs new sewing machines.
Vintage sewing machine vs new pros & cons
I realize ‘vintage’ will mean different things to different people. I don’t remember how old my Kenmore was, but it had different stitch options and was maybe not old enough to be vintage? So, remembering that, the pros & cons I can think of for each option:
Vintage machine – pros:
- Made to last for decades
- Metal parts – hard to break
- Issues are often cheaper to fix because they are mechanical, as opposed to computerized
- Though they weren’t built for knits, they were built for thicker fabrics and can handle heavier weights with ease
- Can often be found for free or inexpensive
- Saving something from the landfill
Vintage machine – cons:
- It can be expensive or challenging to find replacement parts, manuals, cords, etc.
- Many only have a straight stitch, which isn’t ideal for sewing knit fabrics
- After being used for years, may have quirks or issues that are difficult for a beginner to diagnose and/or fix
Modern machine – pros:
- More bells & whistles – the automatic button hole function is amazing!
- Possibly comes with a warranty or service package, if purchased new
- Plastic parts mean they are lighter, easier to travel with
- More popular machines often have specific video tutorials for how to use them, online, which is great for beginners
- Some functions may make sewing more accessible – for example, I have an old back injury and it is so much more comfortable for me to sew using the button (no foot pedal!)
Modern machine – cons:
- Computerized displays are more expensive to fix – often repairs on cheaper machines aren’t worth it, it makes more sense to just buy another one
- Environmental aspects of buying new (packaging) & buying modern (planned obsolescence)
So what new machine would I recommend for beginners, if you don’t have a local shop or can’t get to one and want to shop online? This one! (and check out my post of easy sewing projects for beginners, to get a head start!).
It has amazing reviews, several people who I know and trust have used it for years and recommended it, and I have had great luck with Brother brand (they aren’t, and have never paid me! I just like their machines).
This is not the machine I have in the pictures up above! I have the Simplicity SB3129, which I bought from the dealer, the Amazon equivalent is the Brother Project Runway PC420PRW. I am very happy with it, but it is pricey for a beginner machine.
So, that is why I’m glad I ditched my older machine for a newer one. But, if/when I need or want a new machine? I’ll definitely consider a vintage one again, especially now that I am more experienced in trouble shooting machine errors and confident in my sewing ability!
What is your experience with vintage sewing machine vs new? Share in the comments!
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Michele says
I bought a new pfaff 17 years ago or so… I guess it’s vintage now! At the time I spent over 800.00 on it. Worth every penny. I also have a vintage pfaff from the 70s which is fantastic.
If I was just starting out again or if I was giving advice to a new seamstress I would say buy a very good quality vintage machine, rather than a cheap starter machine.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
I think it is such a hard decision; lots of people don’t have a big chunk of money to invest in a machine when they aren’t sure they’ll love sewing.. but it is much easier to learn how to sew on a quality machine, for sure!
Vicky says
An interesting read, I learnt to sew on old Bernina, was given my first machine by a friend of the family which at the time was 30 yrs old. This served me well through further education in Craft. Fast forward 15 years and I buy a modern Janome, I love the button hole features, the light weight, portability, plus stretch stitch for knit fabrics, ideal for sewing clothes and it came with an extension for quilting. Fast forward another five years and I have treated myself to a 30yr old Bernina which can handle layers of denim like butter! I think it really does depend on what you like to sew, I miss the stop start button when I use the Bernina – I use whichever machine most suits the project. I totally agree with you Stephanie about visiting a local retailer if at all possible to try different models. Take fabric samples with you for your favourite types of projects and try them out.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
Oh that’s funny that you have gone back and forth! That is a great idea to take fabric samples – but at least looking back at me as a beginner… I didn’t even know enough to know what I liked sewing, haha!! One of the local libraries in our last town would rent machines out, I wish that was more common.
Jamie says
I started sewing on a Singer Zig Zag 416 (I think, recalling from memory) that was around 40 years old. It was so finicky and finally it locked up on me in the middle of a project. So I went out that day and bought a floor model Singer Simple at Walmart. It had its own problems, such as weird tension and it was hard to thread the bobbin. I finally invested in a Janome Magnolia 7318, which I still sew on today four years later. It’s so much easier to use than my old Singer machines and I have rarely had a problem with it. I need to take it in for a tune-up and cleaning, but I really like it even though it wasn’t the most expensive machine (I think it was around $225 on Amazon). I also recently bought a used Elna serger that I’m really enjoying.
Fran O. says
I love my Janome computerized machine, but it has been in the shop a couple of times in 9 years. I do most of my sewing on it because of the modern conveniences. My Singer Touch and Sew that I bought in 1971, when I first got married is still going strong after 47 years. It”s been in the shop maybe 2 times for cleaning and a tune up. I switch back and forth between the two. The Brother you bought is a good starting machine. Should the person change their mind not take up sewing, then the investment was minimal. They still have a good machine for repairs and alterations.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
That’s amazing that it is still going after 47 years! Thanks for sharing your story, Fran!
Nancy Riedweg says
I also have a vintage Bernina 705, which is 47 years old. It still works great , needs more care that a new one – the bottom bobbon case needs to be oiled more often. The on;y magor repair it needed was 15 years ago when they replaced a neapene gear, and last year it needed a new set of brushes. Talk about Swiss made products.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
That is pretty amazing!
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
I’m so glad you found one that is working for you, I have a friend who likes her Magnolia too 🙂
Mary G. says
The vintage Singer that was my grandmother’s made the very best buttonholes ever, but the buttonholer was a separate attachment, was super clunky, made a great deal of noise and could irreparably chew through your fabric if you didn’t set it up right. It did sew straight and through tough fabrics or multiple layers but not so great on delicates or knits. I’ve been seeing with Pfaff machines since about 1980. I gave my first one, a metal parts inside, 1222E, to my daughter-in-law about 10 plus years ago, and bought an electronic one, which I love, though the buttonhole maker on either have never measured up to the old Singer’s perfection (when done right).
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
I hope your daughter in law appreciates it, what a gift! Thanks for sharing, Mary.
Mary Crissey says
My newest machine is a 1996 Husqvarna Viking +1…I was given her when my bff/aunt passed away..absolutely love thus machine…she sits facing west so we have a nice view…I use a 1948..she and I share a birthyear….when Viking is embroiderying..love my vintage for piecing…the 1948 is a 15-91…my 1955 is a 99k and I just picked up a 185J…also have a treadle that we are working on, from around 1880…love all my girls..they each have their own personality. .
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
I really want to try a treadle machine! Thanks for sharing your story Mary 🙂
Julie says
I started on an old singer 15 portable when I was 12. It was a great little straight stitch vibrating shuttle machine. At the time my grandmother had a 66 singer treadle. Back when I was 10 my grandmother showed me how to sew on her treadle. I loved it. When I was 16 and she no longer sewed she gave it to me. I am now 71. I have sewed on it all the rest of my life. I did buy a new electric and used it for a few years when I couldnt take my treadle away to school. Later I returned home and returned to my 66 treadle. this machine was made in 1906. True it cannot zigzag or make buttonholes. So I finally got a singer electric new from Canada that had been converted to a treadle. It can make buttonholes, and zigzag when I want to finish off a seam edge that will ravel. It sits happily in a treadle cabinet next to grandmas beautifully restored 1906 66 treadle. When doing basic straight stitch when is about 99% of sewing, I use the smooth running beautiful stitching singer 66 treadle. I can’t begin to convey what pleasure it gives me to sew quietly on a machine that has no motor, which is why I purchased the modern canada converted electric in a treadle. The sturdiness and state of art simplicity of a old treadle sewing head is just amazing to look at. About the only thing you will ever break on it is a needle if you come down too hard on a too thick folded corner of material. And my modern zigzag is right there whenever I’m ready to make buttonholes or finish off the edge. They use the same bobbins so they share all the colors that I prewind and keep at the machines.
Marie says
Growing up, everyone in my family had Singer machines and as hard as I tried, I just couldn’t sew on them. I thought it was me. Then in college I officially learned how to sew on Bernina machines and the professor said if I can’t afford a Bernina to get a Kenmore. So that’s what I did and I’ve been using it for 22 years without a single issue. The thread has never bunched up unlike every single Singer machine I have ever touched. I’ve been looking at new machines, though, that have more options and features. I like the Vikings, but wow are they expensive! I just don’t want to spend a load of doe and then hate the machine.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
I am so glad you have been happy with your machine! I’ve heard great things about old Singers and awful ones about modern ones. My Mom has a Viking with embroidery and had to be without it for months after a $$$ repair at her local shop. So, I’m biased, haha!
Kendall says
I have read terrible reviews about the new Vikings. They are made in China. I would never invest in those or the new Pfaffs or Singers which were all bought out by the same company. I have owned a lot of different machines. I like some of the older machines but I think for someone new to sewing, I would recommend a Husqvarna Lily or Rose. They have lots of built-in stitches and are very easy to use and reliable. They were made in Sweden and were some of the finest machines made by Husqvarna Viking.
One word of caution though. They should be serviced at least every few years because lint builds up inside the machine. My husband figured out how to remove the plastic housing so we could vacuum out the lint but many people would not be comfortable attempting to dismantle this type of machine. However, I would rather invest money in having a good machine serviced than buy a cheap Singer from Walmart.
Judith says
When I inherited an antique cabinet-mounted treadle sewing machine 45 years ago, just as I was moving into my first apartment, I immediately went out and bought spare leather cords and rubber bobbin winder tires, just in case. I needn’t have bothered. Except for periodically removing lint from the guts of the machine and oiling it, no repairs or maintenance have been required.
True, the bobbin winder winds unevenly unless guided by hand and the tension knob is very temperamental but, since I only sew in order to shorten hems, mend ripped seams and cover holes with embroidered patches, I’m not bothered. When sewing, I just have to take care to stretch the fabric firmly in front of and behind the needle.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
It sounds like you & your machine get along well 🙂 Thanks for sharing Judith!
Helenanne says
The first machine I owned was a Kenmore like the one pictured. I purchased it in 1982 to get “all the bells and whistles.” I learned to sew on my Mother’s straight stitch White sewing machine, so zig-zag and overcast stitches were a big step up. I now have both of those machines, along with some newer and older models. Every machine gets some stitching time at sewing groups and retreat days. (I have machines to loan/borrow) It helps that I have learned to do service and repair on the older machines myself.
It is essential to have a machine that is in good working order to enjoy using it.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
Learning how to service & repair is SO smart Helenanne! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Trudi says
I grew up hating my Mom’s faithful Kenmore. She could and did do anything on it, from my clothes to draperies (heavy) to slipcovers… it never gave her any problems. But as soon as I sat down, the thread knotted, the tension was off, something went wrong! I finally bought a new Riccar, which I loved – right up until the board died (lightning may have been involved?). The replacement never quite “fit” and wasn’t as reliable as the one it replaced. I was in the middle of a quilting class at the local shop, everyone else zipping merrily along, when I decided I needed a machine that met my needs. I went back to the dealer and traded for a new Bernina 801. LOVE IT. Never a problem, easy to maintain, works beautifully. When I look at the new machines, I would love to have some of the special features, but for the money, I’m happy with what I have. And I’d definitely recommend it to someone starting out who just wants a basic, reliable machine!
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
Thanks for sharing Trudi! That is funny about your Mom & that machine 🙂
Outdoor Eni says
I have a 42 year old Janome that I bought ($100- all bobbins etc included) from a guild after an avid quilting member died. This machine is fantastic and does exactly what I need it to do. It’s never done me wrong and i’d be one to encourage a new sewer to buy a trusted source old machine before a new one. I’ve seen leather under my old machine also. I have since run into two others that have the same machine and they love theirs.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
Like I said in my post, buying a machine from someone you trust is so ideal! I’m glad you found such a trusty machine!
Judy says
It really depends on the quality of the machine — vintage or new. I have a Pfaff (computerized), a Singer Featherweight, and a 1970’s Elna (which is new enough to have zigzag features). For really beautiful stitching, top and bottom, the Featherweight and Elna are superior to the Pfaff. They are also easy to repair and maintain — I do it myself with the help of You Tube. In addition, those two will sew thru anything! The Pfaff has some great features like needle threader, choosing needle up or down, automatic tie off and an amazing number of stitch choices. I have never needed to have it serviced. If or when there is an issue with the computer, I will need a professional. One thing to realize is that newer Singers, Elnas and many other top brands have some lower quality (cheaper) machines and some higher quality models. Do some online research and test drive before you buy is my advice. It is better to have a quality vintage than a cheap new machine.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
Thanks for sharing Judy!
Deborah W. says
Hi! I am facing the same dilemma. Do I fix up the old machine or buy a new one. Every time I read a review there are so many extreme reviews from 5 star to 1 star on the same machine?!?How do you know which one is the one to buy? I am wondering why you recommended a completely different Brother machine other than the one you are using and have pictured? The one the link goes to has a ‘quilting’ bed which I don’t do (quilting). It would seem so awkward to use. If you can answer whether you would recommend the machine you have in picture I would appreciate it. Thanks!
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
Hey Deborah! So, the machine I have actual pictures of is from a dealer, like I said, and a higher level than the cs6000i. The amazon equivalent of the machine that I own is: this one. The one I have linked in the post, is the one I recommend for beginners. I’m going to edit it and make that clearer 🙂 The quilting bed/table is an add-on, for sure, but detachable 🙂
Deborah Barcello says
Machines sold online or in Boxstores are the lower end or lower quality machines. They are made using part that allow a lower price point. They tend to go out of time easier (don’t sew heavy fabrics with them). Dealers sell the better quality machines that last longer and can be repaired.
I teach kids sewing classes. When I first started I used older machines and machines without a speed control. They were harder to thread and much harder for the kids to use. We now use quality Brother machines with speed controls. They are much easier to switch stitches and feet. My students are able to sew all different fabrics with them.
After sewing on the better machines my students will ask for a machine for Christmas or for their birthday. When they get an older machine they will tell me it’s too hard to use, when they get a cheaper machine they tell me it doesn’t work right. The cheap machines frustrate beginners more than people who know how to sew.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
I totally agree that dirt cheap machines frustrate, well, everyone, it is a shame that they sell them at all! Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Meari says
Nice article. I learned to sew on my Mom’s Kenmore as an early teen. She originally bought me a toy Singer, and when my Dad saw me trying to sew clothes with it, he told my Mom to let me use hers, lol. Looking back, I probably was too advanced for the Singer. My sister now has my Mom’s Kenmore. When I moved out of my parents how at 18, I bought a Kenmore exactly like hers and still have it/use it. It works great. Although, I have to admit I’ve been looking at the pretty new machines…
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
That’s so cool that it is working well still! Thanks for reading & sharing your thoughts!
Meari says
P.S. My Kenmore is 32 years old!
Kirsten says
I’m having this dilemma at the moment. I spent about 3hours sewing on an old Elna (circa 1980’s), and then spent about the same amount of time unpicking. The tension is finicky, if I don’t hold both threads just right when I start sewing, it Has a wobbly and cause a massive jam that takes about an hour to resolve.
Maybe it’s time to say goodbye.. I keep justifying not spending the money as I don’t sew enough. But maybe that’s because the machine doesn’t suit me.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
I totally relate – this is exactly where I was at as I wrote in this article! For me, a machine that truly worked was a game changer. It is a risk though, hope you take the leap and find the same thing though 🙂
Molly says
I totally agree! I inherited my grandma’s Bernina, and I felt like I had to make it work – it was a Bernina, which my mom also sews on and has had my entire life, it was something that reminded me of someone I loved. But I just had so many struggles with it! And it was impossible to buy replacement parts for, they weren’t made anymore. I was able to sell the machine and sewing table for $300 and used that to buy a Brother (have 3 different Brother machines and love them as well!) and everything has gone SO much smoother. I really love sewing now.
I also realized that if I spend $300-$400 on a Brother, I could basically replace it every 7-10 years and still never pay as much as I would for a Bernina… granted I’m sure there are differences, but I have loved my machines, and the lower price point has allowed me to also buy a serger and coverstitch as my sewing skills have advanced.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
I’m so glad you found a better fit – and that you love Brother too!
Sharlyn says
I Always tell people that enjoying sewing is directly proportional to having a machine that works well. If you are fighting the machine, it’s extremely difficult to enjoy the experience ( as you learned the hard way!). I don’t know how many times I have had a sewing class and someone has brought a machine that worked poorly, and wanted me to try and fix it. my recommendations for new machines are spending at least $200 and avoiding Walmart. I tell beginners that they can always upgrade later when their skills improve.
Rebecca Grace says
This is such a great topic! I’m gonna say that it depends on the individual (the person who is wanting to learn how to sew) and the situation — what he or she is wanting to sew, whether a dealer is nearby, etc. When I wanted to learn to sew in 1999 I visited nearly every sewing machine dealer in town (everyone except Bernina) to look at the machines. I was AGHAST at how expensive they were — I had NO idea! I was smitten by the Husqvarna Viking Rose, which was their entry level embroidery machine at that time, and the idea that this sewing machine was a computer that could draw pictures with thread just blew my mind. That was the machine I wanted, but it cost about a thousand dollars if I recall correctly, and that was out of the question with my newly married, baby on the way budget, so I left and bought nothing. Then my husband went back and bought it for me for Christmas… And I found myself at the Viking dealer having lessons on how to thread the machine, practicing sewing a straight line by sewing through the blue lines on ruled notebook paper with an unthreaded machine…
That machine was the WRONG machine for me, by the way. For one thing, we could barely afford the machine itself and the embroidery function I thought was so cool required enormous additional investment in embroidery design cards (collections of designs that cost over $100 each, the only way to purchase embroidery designs at that time), thread, special stabilizers, etc. I used the embroidery function VERY infrequently. I would have been much better off with a more robust/powerful beginner machine, because what I DID end up sewing a lot of was home dec curtains, throw pillows, etc, and the feed dogs wore out pretty quickly.
Now I own a close to top of the line Bernina which has embroidery capability that I still rarely use(!), two vintage Singer Featherweight machines that are straight stitch only but fabulous for piecing even the fiddliest, trickiest quilt blocks, an APQS longarm machine, a Bernina serger for sewing knits, and a Janome coverstitch machine strictly for recreating the RTW cover hem on knit garments. I’m also the group owner of the Yahoo! Bernina 7 Series forum, so I’ve seen the frustration that comes when older people decide to trade in their trusty mechanical machine for a new one with all the bells and whistles as a retirement gift to themselves, and find themselves overwhelmed by the learning curve of the technology that was so enticing at the dealership. So, here’s the advice I’d give a newbie today about shopping for that first machine:
Get a basic machine that does what you need it to do, and does it well. The more bells and whistles, the more time you need to spend learning to use the technology of your sewing machine in addition to everything you are trying to learn about sewing. Think about yourself and how you like to learn. Do you feel better about taking classes in person to learn how to sew and how to use your machine? If so, your best bet will be to purchase an entry level new or gently-used recent model machine from an authorized dealer who will give you that value-add of lessons and support every step of the way. If you go the route of a vintage machine, know that not all vintage models are created equal. Do your homework, and seek out one of the vintage models with fantastic reputations, like the Singer 221 “Featherweight” made from the 1930s-1960s if you only need a straight stitch for quilting and/or you’re primarily interested in sewing garments with woven fabrics (the vintage attachments for those old Singer machines are widely and cheaply available, and they make for gorgeous buttonholes, etc. — any detail you see on vintage clothing can be made with a vintage machine). Another renowned vintage machine that will have a zigzag and additional utility stitches is the Bernina 830 Record, Bernina’s best selling machine throughout the 1970s and early ’80s (not to be confused with the Bernina 830E embroidery machine that came out in the 2000s!). There are a wealth of sewing machine reviews, both new and vintage models, on the Pattern Review website, and I highly recommend checking out the reviews on any model, new or used, prior to purchasing. Also keep in mind that, as Stephanie discovered, you get what you get with a vintage machine when you inherit it or you purchase it from a private party. Most of these older machines are going to need a professional cleaning and tune-up to get them back into top working condition, possibly even replacement parts, so you should factor that into the price when you’re deciding how much to spend. A machine bought from a dealer includes some basic lessons and a warranty of some sort — usually 5 years or so for a new machine, but maybe 6 months to a year with a used machine.
If you are really handy and you like to tinker — like my husband who disassembles and repairs my vacuum cleaner himself when I’m ready to buy a new one — or you are willing to search for YouTube videos and learn how to diagnose and repair a vintage machine yourself, in addition to teaching yourself how to sew with it, then rescuing and reviving those old workhorses can be very rewarding. However, most beginners just learning to sew will be better off buying a new entry level machine from a local dealer where they can take machine mastery classes, learning to sew classes, and have someone they can call when they run into trouble and don’t know what they’re doing wrong. I’d say $500-900 is a reasonable budget depending on which brand you’re looking at, and you DO get what you pay for so avoid those Target/Walmart/Michaels models like the plague! I bought one of those kiddie versions to try to teach my son to sew and it was the most maddening thing — it was so poorly made that even I could not sew a straight line with it because the feed dogs pulled the fabric all crooked and herky-jerky! The Bernina 215 or 330 machines would be fantastic for a beginner, and dealers may have good deals on used ones from other customers who have traded up. Janome, Brother and Pfaff are also solid manufacturers, although I’m not personally familiar with their entry level models. To the person who, like me back in 1999, worries about investing so much money in a sewing machine when they don’t even know how to sew, I would tell them that if they buy a good machine with a great reputation and they end up hating sewing, they will have no trouble reselling that machine to recoup a good portion of their investment, whereas if they buy a cheaply made, poor quality machine to save money, they are LESS likely to have fun or be happy with the results, MORE likely to waste time and money on projects that come out so bad they have to be thrown away, MORE likely to think sewing is too hard or they just aren’t good at it, and LESS likely to find a buyer for the cheap machine when they decide to get rid of it.
Deb Mac says
I learned to sew on a Mongtgomery Ward machine. It had cams for the fancy stitches, did a straight stitch, and zig zagged. Mom loved to sew on it, having learned on a treadle, me not so much. Ate fabric, tension was a bit touchy and it weighed a ton. Early 80s, I bought a Singer and struggled with even pickier tension, but it didn’t eat fabric quite so bad. I used it a lot but my Navy hubby said he never knew sewing language was worse than Navy language. Mid 90s, the Singer died from a broken metal piece. No part to fix it so I looked around and bought a Baby Lock on a Friday and my 7 year old daughter started sewing on it on Monday after 5 minutes of training and a 10 minute safety lecture. My sewing language improved. MIL visited shortly after and used my machine to help finish Halloween costumes and went home and bought a Bernina because there wasn’t a local Baby Lock dealer. She had been sewing on the same Singer for years but couldn’t believe how much better new machines sewed. Go for a reliable entry level new machine if you are a total newbie, When you have some experience and don’t mind messing with what might be a finicky machine, try a vintage model. I hear so much about sewing on vintage machines that I am tempted to buy one to play with but that old Monkey Ward comes back to haunt me.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
thanks for sharing your experience!
Elaine Marie says
I was laughing at your reply because I too have a 1969 “Monkey Ward” machine that is still going strong. It is a workhorse and has never given me trouble other than replacing the drive belt. My 1971 Singer ZigZag 418 just seized up while my granddaughter was using it. It has been good to me and I don’t know whether to get it repaired. I am torn as I do like the machine. At my age I do not want to invest in a high cost machine. I am agonizing over what to do…..
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
I wish you the best of luck, decisions like that are hard!
Wendy West says
The first thing a beginner needs to ask themselves is “what do I want to use the machine for”. If it’s just basic mending..just buy a straight stitch/zigzag vintage or basic new machine. If you want to sew crafts, clothes, decorator items or quilts…well then look for a machine that has various stitches. I have vintage plus new machines. I absolutely love the “needle up needle down” feature of the new machines…plus the cutting of the threads. My vintage Singer is 37 years old. It has the feature of being able to wind a bobbin without taking it out of the casing. The thread runs from the needle and winds the bobbin. Yes the vintage machines are heavier….but that isn’t an asset when you’re carting them to a class.
The big thing is buying a machine with lots of bells and whistles cost money. My latest machine cost $2500 Do you need all those features. There are lots of women who constantly trade in their machine for the newest model. Check those out at the sewing stores. Buy the best machine you can for the money you have…vintage..second hand or new. Research the brands before you buy.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
That is a great point Wendy! Part of the problem though, at least in my experience, is that beginners don’t know what they will end up wanting to sew 🙂 Maybe that is just me though! Thanks for sharing all your thoughts and experiences 🙂
Bev says
I really think it depends on the sewist! I have a total of 5 machines and only 1 is new and that is my BrotherXS37 and I use that for “fancy” stitches ,I also have a commercial grade Juki, and I ABSOLUTELY LOVE it!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have a Serger and older Necchi and 1 Bernia from the 60’s. I also have an ISADORE Brother Inovis 5000 Embroidery machine and a 10 needle embroidery machine. I LOVE brother machines and would recommend buying from a local Sewing shop. My local shop allows you too TRADE UP! and get full credit for your machine,if you trade it up ,within 3 months of your purchase date. This is GREAT for the beginning sewist. I also teach a non profit sewing class and I provide the machines, that way the student, does not have to buy a machine, but can if they like sewing, after taking my classes. I bring in vintage and new machines and I explain the pros and cons ,on each. Knowledge is good and if my students can make an informed decision, hats what counts. It really is a personal decision. I say try the machines out at a dealer, as they have ALL types of used and new machines to try. I love my vintage Juki!!!
Kathleen says
It’s so funny to me, as I read your post—I have the identical machines that you have. When I graduated from high school in 1982, my mom gave me the Kenmore as a gift. My hubby purchased the Brother a couple of years ago as a birthday gift for me. I love my new machine, but I have kept my Kenmore for a few things that have come up along the way. Sewing sequins and shirring fabric. My Brother just didn’t want to fool with either one! There’s just seems to be a need for BOTH in my sewing room! Lol!
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
That is so crazy that you have the same two machines! I’m glad you have enough space and enough machines to meet all your tasks 🙂
Joe Oliveri says
My luck found a vintage singer nestled in the family house i bought. The machine was my great grandmothers. This machine has no reverse so its a basic machine. While restoring that, i was given a singer model 18660 that can do any basic sewing need. Both machines are reliable but since both are pre 1970, i have not progressed to a modern machine….yet.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
Sounds like you’re doing well with what you’ve got 🙂 Thanks for reading Joe!
Brenda says
I bought the Sears Kenmore ultra-stitch 8 pictured above for $128.00 in 1982 from a neighborhood Sears store. It works like a charm 36 years later and has sewn everything from Cotton’s, jeans, silks, knits upholstery, hooded terry bath towels, snd lots of applique to a bassinet skirt and bedding for one of my grandchildren. I have never had any issues with it, have always cleaned and oiled it myself and it’s has traveled through many miles of moves with me. Officially/unofficially it has just become my quilting machine after I purchased a low-shank universal walking foot for it. Looking forward to many years of quilting with this gem as we quilt our way into the twilight years of life❤️
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
That is so good to hear, glad mine was just a lemon 🙂
Keith Hallgren says
My newest machine is a 1977 Kenmore which was a top of the line model in it’s day and can handle any task I throw at it, it handles knits and stretch fabrics, has great power, great presser foot clearance, a free arm, and makes a dizzying array of stitches.
http://www.institchessewing.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/kenmore1931new-768×576.jpg
I am also most fond of vintage Elna machines as they also handle anything a modern machines does and were sewing stretch and knits back in the 1950’s.
My oldest machines date back to the late 1800’s and I still use machines from the teens to the 1930’s regularly.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
1800s! That is amazing. Thanks for reading.
Daisy says
I learned to sew on a machine that was older than me (I’m 30) and it was frustrating figuring it out and even more frustrating that it was too heavy to take with me on the airplane and too expensive to ship so I have to leave it behind. Bought myself a newer brother machine 7yrs ago. It was so much easier to maneuver from the get go but I hate how light it is. It struggles hard with heavier fabrics and the machine moves so easily with the weight of my projects. I would absolutely say if you want to make super light basic things like pillow cases and courtains stick with the newer machines. If you want to tackle bigger stuff like quilts, blankets, larger heavier home decor or clothing items- VINTAGE all the way.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
I think there is a big difference just in the Brothers, too, the same model as mine on Amazon is 10 lbs lighter than the dealer version because it has more plastic. Hope you can find something that fits your needs better!!
Amy says
I have found vintage better, but I’ve been sewing for 15 years! I worked at a fabric store and bought a upper beginner Singer. Very fussy. When I started sewing to sell, I got a Singer heavy duty. I sew purses and wallets and will sometimes have heavier material or multiple layers to sew. It worked well for about 4 years and then went caput. I keep it for the button holes, but it is frustrating when the thread breaks constantly! After seeing me get so frustrated, my mom found a 1970’s Kenmore at a garage sale for $5! Best machine I’ve ever sewn on! It had the original book, though Kenmore has archived all the books online. I’m guessing it was made when zigzag was first added to straight stitch machines. When people ask me for recommendations on a beginning machine, I always ask how committed they are. I now consider Singers the cheap machine and tell them the pricier brands are worth it!
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
I’m so glad that you found a Kenmore that is working for you! Thanks for reading & sharing your thoughts!
Katy says
Very interesting comparison I agree almost with everything. It is still up to person which one too choose.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
Definitely!! Thanks for reading Katy!
Jacqueline Loomans says
Sewing consists of some tayloring and repairs of clothing for my mom and I, but moreso of making new projects for the 2 sailboats I own with my boyfriend. Being a full-time unpaid relative caregiver makes the prospect of buying a new Marine quality machine laughable. I absolutely LOVE the vintage machines I get cheap at 2nd hand stores, or for free as hand me downs! The machines muscle through multiple layers of heavy marine grade canvas, and will even allow me to hand turn the wheel to power through plastic stays I use in some projects to maintain that perfect structure I want in order to look ship shape.
To date I’ve loved one 50’s era Singer, and one 70’s era Kenmore into their complete demise. I’m currently working with an Elna and a Kenmore, both from the 1970’s. The Elna particularly amazes me by what a workhorse it is.
Celebrating vintage machines here!
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
I’m so glad you love them!
mike Kendall says
It is interesting to read your problems you had with finicky tensions and how this caused months of problems. Up front I would choose a vintage 100 percent (ok 1 thousand) over a domestic new machine but I’m very experienced in different models and maintenance and know what I want and what works better. Also up front your Kenmore puzzles me? What model? The 158 class were the cat’s meow and several were made by that factory. We have a very old Singer 201k-23 that is my wife’s go to machine (and dozens of other domestics…..all vintage) and about 50 industrials as well. I don’t have a single domestic that does not work out of dozens! Some of my machines are as old as 1871 (actually a few are from the 1870’s and 1880’s). Then there is the herd from the early 1900’s that are over 100 years old and not from the 1800’s (several). Then there is the herd from the 50’s and 60’s. Have I had tension problems? Yes and it was always a case of a tension disc that had a groove worn in it and needed super fine (1000 grit sand paper) to sand out the groove and sometimes sharp spot or sometimes I just put a new tension disc on it and other times there was just lint caught up in the discs and needed taking apart then putting back together properly. Some vintage machines do have a single nylon gear in them and I’ve replaced those when broken as they are usually available off ebay. Many time the Mrs. said to me she had a problem on her Singer 201. Usually it was wrong needle size not matching thread, incorrect threading, incorrect tension or combination. I always got it sewing perfect stitches extremely quick. And then there is the oil turned shellac….that is also an easy fix and regular oiling keeps it from happening again. So are the vintage sewing machines reliable? Absolutely yes. Do I have any that are finicky? Yes, I have a Singer model 12 from 1871 that I just don’t like so it sits and looks pretty but that is one out of several dozen and once I got it to sew correctly it likely would have been just fine but I decided I didn’t like it (Singer model 12’s changed the entire sewing scene back in the 1800’s when they first came out) Some are better than others. We have Kenmores, we have Whites, we have Elna’s from the 50’s, we have a plethora of Singers and of course the near 50 industrial machines for different purposes. Out of all my machines the only one I truly haded was a model 1104 Kansai Special waist band machine…what a piece of trash. Kansai was known for using cheaper metals in their machines and did not stand up to jeans manufacturing. I exorcised that machine from my studio and replaced it with two vintage Union Special 52800 differential feed and a Singer 302w201 all from the 60’s and all work fantastic (Union Special much more so). I have experienced Kansai Special industrials to be pretty much junk. I have learned and gone through my ropes on thread path for chain stitch machines and am much the wiser for it. Once one get the hang of things, has mechanical ability/desire, and gets even a little experience plus guidance that abounds on the threads one will learn just how fantastic domestics really/truly are. One last comment…not all sewing machine repairmen want to really maintain a vintage machine either because they don’t have time, don’t care, don’t have experience/talent, or likely would prefer to sell a new machine for big $$$$$. You really don’t need reverse but it is nice. Fancy stitches are rarely needed especially if one has a serger and a cover stitch machine. My mother-in-law had a sm repairmen working on her 1960’s made in Japan Zenith that was/is still on a treadle she used for seamstress work allot when younger. Guy was trying to swap out parts because these hardened steel parts are not around any more. She caught him and stopped him. My friend took a look at it and sanded off a bur with 1,000 grit sand paper in minutes and problem was gone working perfectly again. Bur was on a tension disc. Best regards
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
1871! Wow, that is amazing. I haven’t ever looked into DIY machine repair, thanks for sharing your experiences with us!
Maura says
I repair machines….sadly, some parts are no longer available for some machines.. old and new .but I’d rather repair old machines that aren’t plastic, where you need to remove 15+ more of screws just to pull the machine apart to repair a timing belt that jumped or a bobbin winder ring that has melted off or not even put on refurbished models ( the company that does that knows about it)
Yes older 50+ years were made before knits, but if adjustments can be made to the hook(depending on model) and your mechanic knows what he or she knows what to do..and using ballpoint (singer yellow band) needles..knits can be tricky on a good day.. make sure to use correct needle size depending on what you are sewing and change needles often..
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
Thanks for sharing those thoughts Maura!
Sheila says
I have a number of machines, vintage and computerìzed and enjoy them all. I learned to sew on my grandmother’s treacle sewing machine so I am used to all the difficulties of vintage items. I however am a big believer in the benefits and indeed beauties of all machines, singer featherweights, my old Kenmore, my 2 treadles, my sergers, my embroidery machine . They all have different abilities and skills, just like all of us,
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
That is so true Sheila! Thanks for the reminder 🙂
Jonathan says
Good post. I think since tereare so many talented people otters that are Akers there should be classes on general machine maintenance. I buy and sell sewing machines and see both sides. Older European machines are very difficult to work on. I am a sewing machine technician that is mostly self taught. I disagree with the “scammers” saying that say some home machines can sew through leather. Some people modify their machines and put a larger motor on it. A Pfaff 30 is borderline industrial and has a great straight stitch. Easily can cut through two 8 oz pieces of leather if set up right. A lot of good info but some not right judging from my experience. Some industrial machines are actually equal to “home” machines. I guess my point is that if so many talented people know how to sew which is in a sense a mechanical ability why aren’t they getting to know how to fix their machines themselves? Generally All machines have the same concept maybe with different aspects, new or not. I service aand repair mostly older machines but have been getting into diving n learning the new Taiwan made ones. Also the new ones might have a warranty but the materials used are hat proves what wil really last. It’s laughable to look at singer sewing machines today.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
Not sure why you think a scammer would say home machines can sew leather, I have sewn a ton of leather on mine with no problems! I really have no desire to learn how to fix a machine myself any more than I want to learn how to fix my own car. There are only so many hours in the day and I’d prefer to outsource that to experts!
Liz says
I have the same Kenmore that you have (had?). I bought it at a thrift store for $19.95 ten years ago. I only use it for hemming jeans and mending, which it is fine for. This doesn’t stop me from drooling over new Janomes, but thankfully I can’t decide between the magnolia or the mechanical heavy duty machine. I also have an old Kenmore electronic sew 77 so enjoy it’s special features but it is finicky and rarely gets used. The needle also doesn’t have as much clearance as my other Kenmore. One thing about the mechanical old Kenmore…it took time to understand how to use the dial on the front. When I first got it I asked at the local sewing shop and they didn’t have a clue.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
I’m glad it works well for you!! I’ve heard great things about the magnolia.
Amber says
I grew up using my Mum’s 1970’s Bernina and I’m now 45 years old and I still love to use it when I visit her! She uses it constantly, still, in a semi-professional way, working for my sister who has an ethical fashion label, and who also uses an old Bernina that she picked up in an op-shop (thrift store) for $10! I am now scouring the interwebs seeking my own wondrous 70’s Bernina 🙂
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
I hope you find it 😀
Rhonda says
I am beginning to see why I need to set my Mom White 764 aside, at least for the everyday items that are not for a machine that can sew steel sheets (sarcasm). Actually the brag on it was that it can sew leather. Pretty sure that won’t be my hobby in the future.
My issues seem to have been similar to what you described. The tension is the devil on my machine also. I can start the binding on even a simple pot holder, get happy that I almost made it all the way around, and predictably half way through, the bottom stitches get wonky and I start over and over and over agin, never really getting it, until the fabric is so frayed it’s useless and disheartening. Needle, thread thickness, upper tension, lower tension, you name it, I tried it.
So I have decided this can’t be just me. Even though the tension was checked and machine cleaned, it has to be this 60 year old industrial machine.
I have been looking at what to go to for a 5 month beginner/struggler of sewing. I always hear that the computer goes wonky and you are stuck. How much does that really happen and is this the same people that say vintage is better?
Thank you so much for your post.
So would you recommend the computer type over the knob type of new machine?
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
Rhonda, that sounds so frustrating!! It definitely sounds like it isn’t you. I have only used computerized machines, myself, so I can’t speak to mechanical. I haven’t had any issues in the past 8 years! I think as long as you aren’t buying the absolute cheapest of cheapies, you’re going to love a new modern machine. I have 3 I’m going to review later this summer “for kids” that are also great for beginners, if you want to check them out here: https://swoodsonsays.com/the-best-sewing-machines-for-kids/ I hope you find something you love, sewing is so much more fun when the machine works well!
Liz says
Go new and go automated as possible. My first machine …and I still have it… was a 1976 Kenmore 10 very similar to yours. I bought it in 2005 at a thrift store for $20 and it ran great but it was too hard for learning by myself on. I spent more time dealing with the bobbin and all the adjustments and it just takes all the fun out of it. Mesmerised by the Janome phrase jam proof bobbin and have been looking at new ones myself. I like straightforward Janome heavy duty hd3000, but they start stop button and other convenience buttons of a magnolia 7360 also calls my name. The hardest part of it all is choosing.
I don’t worry about trying to buy something that’s going to last forever I would rather use it and wear it out and then eventually move on and find one I like even better. I don’t lose any sleep over packaging. I recycle, I do my part, but the Chinese are going to kill us all with their pollution despite our best efforts.
CarylAnne says
OH dear, I am a sewing machine repair tech and i truly open you isn’t trade in or get rid of the Kenmore, because when you take in your plasticmaster and they tell you that it cannot be repaired since the company doesn’t provide repair parts, you will need the Kenmore to continue seeing. YOur problem with the tension knob sounds like you got a tech who wasn’t good at this type of repair. Often shops that sell new machines will screw up a repair just to get you to buy new. I saw this quite a few times.
Best of luck with your plasticmaster, you’ll need it.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
You will be thrilled to know that my “plasticmaster” has been trucking along fabulously for the past 6 years, no luck needed except when it was repaired once when I sewed over something not meant to be sewed over. They had no trouble finding repair parts. If I’d kept that Kenmore, I would’ve quit sewing instead of making it into my livelihood on this blog… and that repair shop didn’t even sell machines so that wasn’t the case. Isn’t it great that everyone can share their opinions and not be condescending to those who have different experiences?
Brenda says
I never thought I would need more than one sewing machine. Boy was I wrong!
I inherited my mom’s old treadle Singer that was also her Mom’s. I sewed the first few garments I ever made on it. Didn’t have many issues. My MIL bought me an older White machine in a table. It was ok. I had issues with real thick material, so I gave it to my oldest daughter and bought a Kenmore. It was ok for awhile. Did what I needed. I was rough on it since I was basically learning to sew. It started having issues and paying for servicing was expensive compared to what I paid for it. So I then bought a nice Janome online. Or was an earlier computerized machine and I felt like I had a top of the line machine. It is a 4000 memory craft made by Janome. I still have her 20 years later and have not had a moments trouble with it. I still use it often. Especially to carry to classes. I then bought a serger. A Brother. Or was a nice one but loud and clunky. I ended up replacing it with a Janome serger that was alot better. So I used them for many years ann’s still do. I had a friend tell me that these old Singer 301-A machines were amazing for quilting and if I ever saw one to buy it. So I bought one and live it too. Especially for thick items. It does lots of stitches and has cams for even more stitches. I then inherited a vintage Bernina from my husband’s grandmother. It needs some work to fix the zigzag. Or also has alot of stitches. I just haven’t had it looked at yet. Everyone says Bernina machines make the best stitches. I then decided to try embroidery by machine. I bought a used Janome 300 E. It works great. Wanted bigger hoops shop bought a popular Viking that had our all. There were issues with it I didn’t care for so sold it. I started working for a dealer that sells Janome arms Baby locks. I knew I wanted a newer embroidery machine with big hoops. I feel in love with the upper end machines with the auto scissors and fancy threader. Gosh I love that thing! I bought one of them and I use it now more than any others. That being said, I have learned all machines have their quirks. Especially as a new sewist that can be challenging until you learn your machine. I have top say my Babylock Journey is a dream to sew on. So buy the nicest new machine you can afford or an older machine that is one that is highly sought after because they work so well. Then practice alot on our arms learn your machine. Learn its unique quirks or settings that work best for what you are sewing. Some are better for thick projects like quilts and bags. Some are better for lightweight sewing and some do both pretty well. Buying from a dealer is well worth the investment as you can get free help with your machine and lessons if they are a good dealer. Stop I now have 6 machines SMS love them all! If I ever found a Singer Featherweight for a good price, I would probably have to have it too! Lol!
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
Your sewing room sounds like a lot of fun 🙂 Thanks for sharing your thoughts!! Happy sewing!
Corey says
I’ve really enjoyed reading this post (and all the replies!). I have been sewing on my grandmother’s Singer machine (circa 1950). It’s all metal, and has separate attachments for button holes, zig zag, etc. I love it and have actually never sewn on anything else in my 30+ years of sewing, but I just started sewing more knits (for my 1 year old son) and was researching sergers and am thinking that maybe I need to get a more modern sewing machine instead of a serger (for now). I know it would make sewing faster and easier. I like the idea that I can still keep the Singer and use it for more heavy-duty fabrics.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
Hi Corey! I’m glad you have enjoyed reading the post. That is so cool you’ve been using her machine for so long!! If you go with a serger, I LOVE this one, I’ve used the heck out of it: https://amzn.to/2GAHk64 . There is a Facebook group specifically for that model and lots of youtube tutorials. I think a modern sewing machine with a walking foot works just as well but a serger is super fast and I love the way the edges look 😛
Shane Curtis says
I have been sewing for about 35 years. So I started with a straight stitch Singer. Over the years I have bought and used numerous machine since I have a sewing shop up town now. Still today my best machine would have to be the metal one such as Kenmore or Goodhousekeeper which is unheard of today. Just so happen a couple days ago I was at the thrift store and seen another Goodhousekeeper so of course I bought it for 19.95. I was expecting it really to have issues but it was absolutely in perfect running condition. I figured someone just gave up on it because threading these machines are difficult and hardly any you tube to show how to thread these. So i am a proud owner of machine number (39) and all of them are in great working shape. Back to the point the new machine have there good points but for the work I do the older metal machines are still the absolute best to me. Regardless of what machine, just buy what makes your life easy to work with and Happy Sewing!
Nana’ers One Stop Shop
North Carolina
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
You should upload a youtube video of how to thread it for other folks 🙂 Thanks for sharing your thoughts, sounds like you have a wonderful stable of machines!!
Richard Bloom says
I’ve read with interest some of the comments, new versus vintage. What it comes down to is what will you be using it for. Vintage machines are more durable and tough. But they are limited on decorative stitches. If you only need straight stitch and zig- zag with just a few decorative stitches, consider a vintage machine. They are heavy but built strong. But find a dealer that deals in new and vintage machines, one that not only sells them but services them. I did both and my first questions were what was going to be the use and who will be using it. My wife has one of the embroidery machines as she is always making clothes. She also has a vintage machine for everyday use. The choice is yours, not one the salesman wants to sell.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
A dealer that does vintage and new sounds pretty cool, I haven’t found one of those yet! Thanks for sharing your thoughts Richard 🙂
Granny G. says
I found this article is quite interesting! I’ve been sewing for over 60 years (Mom started me very young) and the first machine I ever used was her White Rotary model 77 which used a knee lever to run. It was straight stitch and reverse only, but I made lots of doll clothes and eventually some of my own clothes with it. I shudder to think about the cowgirl skirt I made when I was around 7 yrs old! But I persisted and when I was in my teens, Mom gifted me with a Kenmore 158-14000 “portable” that weighed a ton. I loved it but it took me quite a while to get used to a foot pedal rather than a knee lever! I used that Kenmore for many, many years and it was like the old Timex commercial – it “kept on ticking” despite the licking I gave it. I even made wedding gowns on it. Finally I gave in, decided to buy a new machine, and bought an early computerized-model Baby Lock which is now 35 or more years old and still runs great. Then I gave away the old Kenmore. Boy am I sorry I did that! I’ve had several machines since then (and still have them all) but I missed my old Kenny. When I found a refurbished 158-14000 for sale I snapped it up, installed it in an original Kenmore table and thoroughly enjoy using it as it runs beautifully. My main machine nowadays is a Brother Innovis VQ3000 – a big (11.5″ throat space) electronic beast with tons of useful bells and whistles. It’s great, I love it and use it for FMQ, regular quilting, crafting, clothing, lingerie and even clothing-weight leather. I’m sure it will cost me an arm & a leg if the motherboard fails, but I bought it directly from a dealer who had used it as a demo and gave me a full guarantee. The price was right so it was an all-around good buy. My vintage Kenmore sits next to this big monster and functions as my back up. It’s also handy if I need to make a quick repair or want to do some piecing while I’ve got a quilt under the needle of the Innovis.
My other machines are Mom’s old White Rotary, which still runs, the old Baby Lock, and a 2-year old Brother portable which I use when going to my quilting group. Lastly, I have an old Euro Pro serger which still runs well too. There are a few other vintage models I’d like to acquire but I need to make room for them first (wish me luck with that!).
As far as Vintage vs Modern goes, I guess I’m a “switch-hitter”. I like them both and especially love old Kenmore’s from the 60’s & 70’s as long as they’re the Japanese-made models. They are well-built, sturdy, uncomplicated and despite what you may hear, there ARE plenty of parts available on sites such as eBay. Beware the “newer” 385 models and some of the later 158’s which were made in Taiwan – they’re full of plastic. And if you’re going to buy from an eBay seller, be careful, check the seller’s rating, don’t believe a seller who claims the machine is “industrial strength”, takes fuzzy photos or photos only of the rear of the machine (they don’t know the front from the back?)- those sellers have no idea what they’re talking about. Look for listings that have multiple clear photos and especially one with the serial number tag showing where it was made.
I really love both of my Brother machines. They each have some plastic or nylon parts but oh well, at least at this point parts are available if needed. The portable is pretty lightweight – only 12 lbs., so I KNOW that it’s mostly plastic, but it gets lightweight use as well, so I think it should last me and it sews well. The big Innovis however, weighs a huge 46 lbs! I’ve been inside it as far as possible and there’s lots of metal in there. So we’ll see. I use the big one almost every day and hope to keep it going for a long while. I clean both the Innovis and the Kenmore about every 4 or 5 days because they quickly develop a lot of build up in the race and feed dogs. Any machine I’ve ever had will become fussy if the bobbin race and the feed dogs are clogged with fabric dust, thread and/or any other kind of gunk.
Some others have mentioned tension problems, lack of parts and other issues with vintage machines. Obviously I haven’t seen their machines and I’m NOT a machine tech, but I’ve been sewing long enough to know that you MUST keep a machine clean, oiled, have it serviced when necessary, use the right needle for the job, the correct thread and test your stitching on some scrap material before beginning your project. If you’re having tension problems, cut a very skinny piece of knit fabric (no fraying) and manually run it through and around your tension disks. You could also loosen them and blow through them CAREFULLY with some compressed air. Avoid blowing anything into the machine. There could be a tiny scrap of thread in it, or even some thread “fuzz”. Either one of these could mess up your tension. You should also know how to adjust the tension of your bobbin. It’s easy and your machine manual will tell you how. And whatever you do, NEVER, NEVER change your thread by pulling it backwards through the tension disk assembly!!! This will really mess with your tension. Instead, cut it somewhere above the tension, LIFT your presser foot (which releases the tension) and pull it through from the needle end.
If you’re looking for a first (or new) machine, first decide what type(s) of sewing you want to do – just clothing, or crafts, upholstery, quilting, or a combination. Next, do your research. Start looking online at different manufactures and models, checking out features so you’ll know what an individual machine is best for. For example, many machines will say “great for quilting” but the throat space is so small, you’d never get a dress through it, let alone a baby quilt. Ask a friend who’s experienced at sewing. Find some dealers and test drive some machines. Take notes so you won’t end up confused about what machine does what. Tell the dealer what types of sewing you want to do but DON’T let a dealer push you into something to expensive or don’t need. DO buy the best machine you can afford that will handle the type of sewing you want. If you have the funds to invest in a table designed for your machine – do it – you won’t regret it.
Don’t let price discourage you, just keep looking for bargains and try negotiating with dealers. Ask if they give discounts for cash (some will). If you’ve been in the military, ask if they give military discounts – they’re becoming more common these days. Finally, DON’T go and buy a machine from a big-box seller such as W**m*rt. Those are cheaply-made, bottom of the line throwaway models, often produced just for sale at such stores. If it breaks down, fixing it will cost more than it cost and you’ll have to buy another one – a big waste.
And if you want a vintage machine – go check out http://www.stagecoachroadsewing.com. They refurbish quality vintage machines and have a great variety for sale. They’re a tad expensive but if you call and ask their advice, they’ll help you choose a machine that’s right for you. They are true experts and their website is fascinating.
Bottom line, there are great vintage models and great modern machines. The choice is yours so if the budget allows and you want them, buy one of each!
Good luck!
BJ Rogers says
I have a Sears Kenmore model 92 in a wood cabinet that my mom got sometime in the early to mid 1960’s. It was top of the line at the time and came with all kinds of bells and whistles plus numerous attachments and lots of cams to make decorative stitches. It still works great and is all original except for the bobbin holder and the bobbin winder rubber wheel. I love it and would not trade it for a new machine. It has no quirks and the only problem I have with it is that I have to clean out thread fuzz around the bobbin area every so often. I had a Bernita Artista 180 that was also my mom’s but I eventually gave it to a friend because I didn’t like it as well as the Kenmore plus I rarely used it or all the fancy dancy stuff on it. It also sounded like a toy as well. The vintage machine you show a picture of is one of the lesser expensive machines of its time and I am not surprised at the problems you had with it. If your machine had been a better model of its time it is less likely you would have had the problems that you did. Don’t give up on older machines, they are better, but as with all sewing machines, new or old, they are not all created equal. Just because your “vintage” machine was a bad one doesn’t mean they all are.
Mike says
In my humble opinion, the best thing for a beginner is a good old cast iron sewing machine. Show them how to clean it (removing lint from feed dogs, tension discs, bobbin cases/shuttles etc.) and to identify the things that make ALL sewing machines get quirky. You can’t have them taking a new sewing machine to the shop every time lint builds up between tension discs, trapped behind bobbin case tension springs or the other common causes of tension etc. issues.
Once they’ve become competent on the old machine they will probably be able to pick out a new (or newer) machine for themselves that is best for them and the projects they like to do.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I’d love to see a cast iron sewing machine!
Suzanne says
I love this topic! And I love reading all the different perspectives.
I don’t have a bias toward vintage or new – I like them both because they each have their uses. Yes, a good, well-built vintage machine will provide a lifetime of service and more whereas a cheaply-made plastic machine is a potential throw-way. That’s not to say all modern machines are that bad, it depends on the model.
I have been sewing for over 60 years and have seven machines (OK, I’m nuts because I’d like to have even more):
A White Rotary 77 cast iron “tank” (luckily mounted in a table),
A Kenmore 158-14000, with multiple, useful zig-zag stitches,
A Kenmore 3/4-size 158-10401 portable,
A 30+year-old Baby Lock, early electronic model with a modest variety of stitches,
A small modern Brother SC3000 electronic model with lots of stitches and a few bells & whistles,
A modern electronic Brother Innovis VQ3000 Dreamweaver sewing/quilting model,
And An old Euro-Pro serger
The old White Rotary is what Mom used to teach me when I was a little girl. I made lots of Barbie clothes with it and some clothes for myself. It still works, so I keep it oiled and run it now and then, so it doesn’t freeze up. I love “seeing” the memory of Mom setting in front of it.
Mom gave me the 158-14000 when I was in high-school and I LOVED it. I kept it for many years and made everything from potholders to wedding gowns with it. I stupidly sold it around 25 years ago and wish I hadn’t. So, when I found the same model for sale on eBay, I snapped it up. I mounted it in a table, and it sits catty-corner to the Dreamweaver as my backup machine or if I have more than one project going.
The 3/4 size Kenmore is a very recent acquisition and I haven’t had time to use it yet, but I love it just because it’s cute. (Told you I was nuts.)
I used the old Baby Lock for many years and it’s never needed any servicing other than routine. Like the old Timex commercial, it just keeps on ticking. It’s semi-retired now because it’s a little short on bells & whistles but I use it now and then. It’s a dependable beauty.
The Brother SC3000 is my take-to-quilting-group machine because it sews a nice stitch and is lightweight. It’s too small for actual FMQ but is great for piecing and binding. It’s not top quality but it serves its purpose and I like it a lot.
My favorite machine is my Brother Dreamweaver. I have it mounted in a table because a.) it weighs a ton (46 lbs.), b.) it’s designed for quilting and I use it almost every day. It truly is a dream and I love using it. It has a huge harp space which will accommodate virtually any size quilt, it has almost every useful bell & whistle you could want, it’s quiet, powerful (it will sew denim and clothing-weight leather), and despite looking complicated, is remarkably easy to learn and use. It’s a few years old now and not the newest model, but I found it for sale online from a dealer who had used it for a demo. It was serviced and ready to go when I got it. Normally, I could never afford this sort of machine but since the dealer was selling it as used, the price was very reasonable. I use it for clothing-woven & knits, quilts, handbags, wallets, and even upholstery. It’s very versatile.
My serger works fine but doesn’t get too much use these days because I like using twin needles in the Dreamweaver when sewing knits.
Some of the most important things I’ve learned over the years about sewing machines are 1. KEEP IT CLEAN. Vintage or new, a machine full of dust, thread and lint will give you a headache.
2. Test your fabric before beginning a project and learn how to adjust upper and lower tension, it will save you A LOT of aggravation. 3. NEVER pull your thread backwards out of the machine when changing colors. It can leave debris behind in the tension disks and you’ll be very unhappy about the results. 4. Have it serviced when necessary. Oil it yourself if you know how. 5. Use the correct needle for your application and always use a sharp one. If you hear your needle making a “punching” sound as it’s sews, it could be dull. Change it for a fresh one. 6. And I don’t care what anyone else says, DO NOT sew over pins. You’ll risk a bent or broken needle and/or can mess up your machine’s timing, either of which will have you pulling your hair out. So just don’t do it. 7. Keep the machine covered when not in use, so it doesn’t collect dust inside. Surprisingly, dust is abrasive and can create havoc with your machine.
Sewing machines are like people, we are all different and we all have our likes and dislikes. What matters is what works for you, regardless of its age (or yours!). So, when you find a machine (or machines!) you love, take loving care of it and it will love you back.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
46 pounds, yeow!! Great tips, thank you for sharing!
Suzanne says
Needless to say, the Innovis is NOT a “travel” machine. It can be transported and has a big wheeled case just for that purpose, but I worked in the high tech industry and know that delicate electronics don’t like to be bounced around. I use a small, lightweight modern machine when meeting up with my quilting group. The ‘big boy’ only travels for routine maintenance.
Love your blog!
donna m lake says
I have both old and new: a 1919, hand cranked, Singer 66 red-eye, a 2008 Viking Designer Diamond, and others in between those dates. I have settled down to doing straight construction sewing on a 1941 Singer 201-2, (arguably the best Singer model ever.) When I need buttonholes, or any other stitches the 201-2 cannot do, I get out a vintage (not antique) Viking 1200 – the #1, or the Viking Designer SE.
I am not a novice seamstress. I have been making for nearly 60 years, and teaching off and on for about 15. Both paths, vintage/antique and modern have positive and negative recom-mendations. For a new sewer, I, too, recommend the dealer purchase. New or used, a GOOD dealer will stand by his product, and provide lessons. There are too many poor models out there for me to turn a novice loose with just the words, “Buy vintage, my child.” Just the other day, I met a novice who purchased a thrift store machine without realizing that it didn’t have cord or foot pedal…not the best way to introduce a newcomer to our craft.
So, the REAL answer to the question “Vintage or Modern” is:
It depends.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
Totally agree! That is funny but also a bummer that she bought the machine without a cord, I totally could see myself having done that back when I was starting!
Donna R. says
Put me down as someone who swears by a good quality vintage machine (they are not all created equal, and parts aren’t as available for some models as for others, so you still have to do your homework before choosing one.) My Singer 401 Slant-O-Matic, for example, can sew ANYTHING that a domestic sewing machine can sew – and sew it perfectly every single time. It has a perfect straight stitch (with a dedicated straight stitch foot and throat plate), perfect zig zag, and dozens of stitch options including blind stitch. It can also be fitted with attachments like the Automatic Buttonholer to make the best buttonholes you ever saw on a home machine. It cost me $50 a few years ago and has never had a repair or given me any problems. None whatsoever. There is no circuit board to fry, no flimsy plastic parts to break. Never a thread jam, never a tension issue. With metal gears and a direct drive motor, it can sew for a lifetime and beyond with just some simple cleaning and oiling. You can spend $1000 on a new machine, but I’d rather save the $950 for fabric, patterns, and notions!
Rhoda says
I don’t know about vintage vs new, but I had a Kenmore of about that vintage and it was as much trouble to use when I bought it new from Sears as the author describes. I think some of the Kenmores were just poor machines, period.
Maybe it worked better for the grandmother, I don’t know, but I happily traded it for an mechanical Janome in the late 80s that worked a lot better. Twenty years later I traded that one for a better quality mechanical Janome (DE 5018) in about 2005. I still use that one all the time.
About 5 years after that I bought a computerized Pfaff, but it’s been a disappointment. The many kinds of sensor buttonholes no longer work, despite the best efforts of the local Pfaff technician and the factory technicians that he contacted in Germany. Since the buttonholes were part of the reason I bought that pricey machine, it’s put me off computerized machines for a while. Perhaps eventually I’ll get a computerized Janome.
My other disappointing Pfaff was my first serger. It took industrial needles, took forever to thread, and the tensions would abruptly change in the middle of a seam for no reason. Modern household sergers are better than the much older models, in my opinion.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
The author is me, haha! Sorry to hear you’ve had so many machine issues! But glad you’ve got a Janome working well for you now, thanks for reading!
Vicki says
I have both newish and vintage machines and I use and love them all. I think a lot depends upon the budget of the sewist. Most of these people on the various Facebook groups preface their request with I have a budget of $200. IMO any new machine purchased for $200 will be much more headache than success. The reality is $400 would be the bare minimum I would encourage spending on a new machine. Actually I would probably look closer to $600 in order to get a reliable machine that will serve you well.
Yesterday I picked up a Singer 237 zig-zag machine at Goodwill for $9.00. I took her home, cleaned her up, added a new belt $8.00, bobbin tire $3.00 and four hours of pleasant labor. For right at $20 I have a machine that sews so smooth and really is a delight to sew on. I KNOW she will last another 30-40 years given proper care an oiling. She will sew through just about anything, and will also sew on knits and delicate fabrics.
That said….. I’m Jonesing for a Juki TL-2010Q
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
I’ve been using my $200 serger for years with no complaints 😀 That singer sounds like a delight though, what a gift you have to be able to fix it up! Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Lisa Gordon says
Older post, but couldn’t help but comment. I do agree with those who say it depends on your interest. It truly does–if you are in it for practical reasons (want to sew things for family members or yourself, craft efficiently for the end product), then a newer machine is likely better for you. However, if you are in it for more ephemeral reasons (love a challenge, are into nostalgia, appreciate “old style craftsmanship”), then you probably want to look into vintage machines. I personally am of the second sort–I love antiques and love to challenge myself to learn new skills simply for the sake of the challenge. Although I want to eventually produce a well made end product, the “journey” to that end product, for me, is almost more important than the product itself. I’ve now taught myself how to disassemble and make small repairs to vintage machines (for me, vintage means prior to 1970, when plastic started showing up in the internal gears). I enjoy sewing simple projects on those machines (face masks, part of our new normal, on my vintage Singer 201, a simple machine with an incredible straight stitch and an ability to sew through multiple layers like no other). I love taking a dusty, about-to-be junked relic and with love and care turning it into a shiny, smoothly sewing work of industrial age machinery. I was recently given a 1964 Necchi Supernova, frozen solid from neglect (hadn’t been oiled since the 60s was my guess), and enjoyed the achievement of unfreezing every stuck-solid gear and joint–not an easy process, using heat guns and pliers over several days in some instances! I have sewed on it now, and look forward to using the gazillion different stitch options–fully as many as the most expensive modern computerized machine–to produce crafted sewing kits. That machine is, indeed, finicky–but for me, finicky is part of the package deal of the challenge. For someone who just wants the machine to do its job, finicky is certainly frustrating, and not something they would be interested in. So yes, it totally depends on what you love, what your interests are, and what the machine means to you. If it is a means to an end, and the end product is what you are aiming for (lovely clothing for your kids, or a machine that will help you produce magnificent quilts in record time), a newer machine is definitely a better choice than a vintage one. If you want to linger along the way to that end product and whimsically enjoy sewing on a lovely antique, not minding when it needs a tweak here or an adjustment there, then a vintage machine would be quite pleasurable to sew with. We’re all different, with different likes, dislikes and needs. The machine you choose should be based on an assessment of who you are and what makes you happiest.
Stephanie - Swoodson Says says
I read comments on older posts and I know other people do too 🙂 Thanks for sharing your thoughts, you have a really beautiful way of writing about sewing.